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This question looms in my head -when your old debt is sold to another bottom feeding CA and you get that 1st letter from them looking like a debt validation letter saying you have 30 days to confirm or deny it`s valid or they`ll assume it`s valid what should ya do? Answer please in 2 phazes -one before your debt is SOL and two after you know your debt should be SOL. tHANKS
1. If it is a valid debt validation letter then it should have a copy of the original contract that you sigened with the original creditor and something in writing that shows they are now legally able to collect on that debt.
You have to recieve a summons from a court to dent or admit...something coming from them doesn't sound real.
2. if the debt is past the SOL I would still ask for debt validation (like above) but unless you get a registered letter from the sherriff or courts I can not see how anything else would be legal.. You have to remember that these collection places will send all kinds of phony documants to collect on a debt becasue once you make one payment you renew the SOL and they got ya.
Whenever, a creditor or a collection agency calls you up for a debt, or sends you a letter claiming the debt, you should always send a debt validation letter whether or not the debt is past SOL or not. If they can properly validate the debt, it means that they will be providing you with details about the debt including the proof that the CA has purchased the debt from the OC, the coopy of the original signed loan document and the details about the outstanding debt which would include the date of your last payment.
Now, from the debt validation you can be sure of the date of your last payment towards the debt and can easily calculate the SOL expiry. Now if you find that the SOL has already expired, there is no need to repay back the debt, else you should come to a settlement plan to repay it back.
I too agree with the fact that even if you know that the Statute of limitation on the debt has expired, you should send a debt validation letter to find out the exact date of your last payment towards the debt. If you do not agree with the date of the last payment, you can always dispute it with the creditor and ask them to give you details of your last payment including your check number through which you have made the payment against the debt. You can also check your credit report to find out whether the debt is listed there or not. If it is listed there, you can find out the month when you have made your last payment from there.
Thats probaly the best known avenue to finding out the date of your last payment..credit report.
Thats what most people will go by and if you have it there in black and white from one of the credit reporting agencies or all three it could be your best defense. The three credit bureaus are highly thought of and a judge would not easily dismiss a report by them.
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Good points all, have one problem -the validation letter example in the sticky is cut in half by the browser bar going down the page as seen above on the right -but it`s good on this page? If I try and copy it the stuff on the right meshes into it. Can someone send me a straight copy of the DV letter as it would pertain to PA residents or are they ok from anywhere? Thanks
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ANTHONY......I have a question. If the SOL, of the debt is ALREADY expired, why would you want to make furthur arrangements to pay it off? That would 're-start' the debt, wouldn't it?
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I meant to say that from the debt validation you can be sure of the date you have made the last payment towards the debt. Now if you add the SOL period of your state from the date of your last payment you can be sure whether the SOL has expired or not. If the SOL has expired, you need not repay the debt, but if it has not expired, you should take steps to come to a settlement plan to repay the debt to avoid judgment.
What happens if say a debt collector picks up the debt for a few dollars and when you ask for validation they put somehow put in a date that will keep the debt in SOL. I have heard a few comments like that around here. I think the best way to find out your true SOL would be to check your credit report for the original lender and see what the first missed payment was (30 days as of...) and then add on the statute of limitation amount to it. It may be quicker and a lot easier than dealing with the collector. This way you could be a little more sure.
Hi Fireyone
You are right. You can find out the date of your first missed payment from your credit report itself. Now if the creditor or the collection agency do gives you another date of the last payment as validation, you can always dispute it with the creditor if you have the proof. Now if the creditor sue you to the court to recover the debt, on the basis of the false date of your last payment towards the debt claiming that your SOL has not expired, they will not be able to bring judgment against you if they cannot prove the date of your last payment.
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Can the CA, somehow, 'CHANGE' the date of your SOL..legally, I mean? What if you DO check your CR and the date wsa already changes by the CA? What do you do then? I'm wondering if you can send a letter to the OC for the 'REAL' 'last payment date..ya know?
No Sd chargers they can not legally change the date to make your debt within the statute of limitations. some though will try to do this. One of the reasons I have said to others "go get your free credit reports". You should use all three pulls but always print them for your records. For exaple say your SOL has passed and a collection agency decides to sue you for that debt and changes they last payment so it makes your account look more recent than it is. If you have a copy of an older credit report that has the original creditor listing the date of last payment as a different date than the collecotr this could serve as proof that they changed or updated the accoutn to show mroe current so they could sue you and win. Some may claim a payemnt to them afterwards but they would then have to prove that payment was made beyond a shadow of a doubt..which is unlikely unless you actually made a payment.
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I just ran mine, last night, in fact. Annual Credit Report (dot) com. Got ALL of them. A few debts 'fell-off' my CR...thank goodness. Let me ask someone. If you keep having different CA's 'buy' your debts, does your Credit score drop for every 'new' CA?
Now I am not 100% sure on this but I do not believe it will actually effect your score. The older a debt is the less damage it does to your score. Just because a new collection agency purchases your debt does not mean your score will be effected. I believe the main mark that is against your credit is the original creditor itself and as long as they have not changes the date of the debt you are not going to see your score drop. Usually you do not have to worry about an original creditor playing with the date on a debt. Onece they sell it they are pretty much done with it at that point. Remember they do get a tax write-off on this so it would do no good to them to change any debts.
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OIC!! Good explanation, FIREYONE. Good......now I know my score won't be TOO effected by that.
The age of an account, and thus, its impact on your credit score, is determined by the date of the first delinquency with the original creditor. NOTHING ELSE.... This date cannot (legally) change... If it does, you likely have cause for civil action against the furnisher of the information, and with the bureaus...
Do not confuse Date of Last Activity with Date of First Delinquency. Contrary to popular belief, they are not interchangeable, although many credit reports would make it appear as such...
No matter how many companies buy an old debt, the date of first delinquency should always be reported as the same date! No matter what payment arrangements are made, or who they're with!
That has always been kind of a big issue here. What are the differences in the date of last activity and the date of first deliquency? I always thought (correct me if I am wrong,please) that the date of last activity is the date that there was last payments,charges and any other activity. Now the date of first deliquency I would think is when the creditor lists the account as 30 days late. You can usually see it on your credit report under the original creditors report. Mine says 30 as of, 60 days as of and so on. Is this the date of first deliquency (the 30 days late as of)?
Date of first delinquency is when the acct first went 30 days, prior to a charged-off status...
Activity is much more vague, and subject to the interpretation of whoever is reading the report. It has nothing to do with the true AGE of the account.
So if I were to look at my report and see where the original creditor list the debt 30 days as of "so and so date" then I can figure out when the statute of limitations began. Some here have said the statute of limitations clock does not start ticking until six months after the first missed payment while others say it begins with the first missed payment. When I first came here and asked that question it had really mattered because it was a case of if I were protected. I had a little incident where my brothers girlfriend took a catalog from my houe and ordered in my name and shipped to her address. She had said she was going to pay the bill and I believed her. I gave it to her and only heard from the company once and explained to them the situation and even asked them to pull up where they shipped the stuff. It was suppose to be taken care of but a couple years later collecotrs started to call and I am sure you know the story from there..same old...same old.
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What a horrible thing to do!! Gosh...did ya kick her A$$!? i would have. So, the SOL doesn't begin until Date of Last Activity?? Do I understand that correctly?
Effectively, the time frame is indeed the 7 1/2 years....
Yes it really is seven and a half years. I called her on it but never got anywhere. I let it go because she had my nephew but believe me she knows I have never forgotten. She and her relatives charges over $600 and she was suppose to collect the money and pay. It should fall off shortly. It did teach me a lesson in making sure I burn catalogs when I am done with them. I cda see why they take the address lables off the ones in the doctors and dentists waiting rooms now.
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OMG!!......yea, I know what you mean, FIREYONE. That you 'let it go' because of your nephew. I had some similiar issues, way back when, with a family member. Because of neices and nephews, I 'layed it to rest'. However........the same thing,........the family member KNOWS what happend. She has to live with it.
Trua and with it being past SOL and not really being contacted over it I have taken the advice that I got here at the credit magic forum and just let it go. Sometimes playing with an old debt is like playing with fire. We all know how the SOL time clock works.
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YEP...ain't that the truth. You sure don't want to 're-start' the SOL. I don't blame you for not wanting to 'deal' with it now. Better to leave it alone.
Usually by the time a collection agency sells your debt again it is getting pretty close to the Statute of limitations. Sometimes it is actually over the limitations so if a person really wanted to get rid of the debt and knew the best way to do it so they were protected in the future they could end up settling the debt for way less. If this was my case and I just wanted it paid so no one would harass me anymore I would try a line like "I really do not have to pay this at all since it is past the SOL and I know you bought it for pennies so make me the bnest dealk I ever heard of". Maybe then a debt in the thousands could be settled for a few hundred.
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